WASHINGTON — A Republican lawmaker Wednesday told Teamsters General President Sean O’Brien to “shut your mouth” in a terse exchange at a hearing examining so-called union busting by U.S. companies.
The tense back-and-forth between O’Brien and Sen. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., escalated into a screaming match at a hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.
The argument began after Mullin, who took over his family’s business Mullin Plumbing, at 20 after his father fell ill, complained that union pipefitters tried to intimidate him and his 300 plumbing employees to organize in 2019.
“They’d be leaning up against my trucks. I’m not afraid of a physical confrontation, in fact, sometimes, I look forward to it,” said Mullin, who also owns several other local businesses. “And that’s not my problem. But when you’re doing that to my employees?”
They also picketed outside his job sites, chanting ‘shame on Mullin,’ he said.
“‘Shame on Mullin?’ For what? Because we were paying higher wages … and we (weren’t) requiring them to pay your guys’ exorbitant salaries?” he asked.
O’Brien said the International Brotherhood of Teamsters had examples of employers illegally pressuring workers not to join unions.
Mullin, who also owns several other local businesses, questioned O’Brien’s six-figure salary. O’Brien was paid more than $300,000 in 2019, according to the most recent report of union leaders salaries by Teamsters for a Democratic Union, a grassroots organization of members. The Teamsters did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
“What do you bring for that salary? What job have you created, one job, other than sucking the paycheck out of somebody else … because you’re forcing them to pay dues?” Mullin asked.
When O’Brien said Mullin was out of line, the lawmaker shot back: “You need to shut your mouth.”
“We created opportunity because we hold greedy CEOs like you accountable,” O’Brien told Mullin.
“I’m a greedy CEO? I kept my salary down at about $50,000 a year because I invested every penny,” Mullin said of his time as CEO of Mullin Plumbing.
“You mean you hid money?” O’Brien responded.
“You think you’re smart? You think you’re funny? No, no you’re not,” Mullin shot back as committee Chairman Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, tried to quiet the outburst.
During his testimony, O’Brien said that half the senators on the committee “are only willing to offer right-to-work laws.”
“These laws lower wages, create substandard benefits and erode workers’ rights in every state where they’re passed,” he said.
States that have enacted legislation guaranteeing that employees won’t be forced to join a union or pay union dues as a condition of employment are considered “right-to-work” states, according to the Society for Human Resources Management. The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, the nation’s largest federation of unions, argues that the laws complicate union formation and collective bargaining for better wages, working conditions and benefits.
O’Brien said 1.3 million of his union members lost jobs and even their lives during the pandemic while large corporations like UPS and Kroger made record profits.
“They were going out, providing parcel delivery, providing food distribution, providing rubbish pickup, providing every essential service that we may take for granted at times and all the while, all these big corporations like UPS, Republic waste (Services), Kroger’s grocery warehouses, they were making record profits,” O’Brien said. “My members feel today, that they were taken advantage of. And I think there’s not only a lot of unionized workers but non-union workers that feel the same way.”
He said there aren’t consequences when CEOs and companies, calling out Starbucks and its CEO Howard Schultz by name, “break our laws instead of supporting legislation to protect our workers’ choice to join a union.”
Representatives for Starbucks, Amazon, Republic Services, UPS and Kroger did not immediately respond to requests for comment from CNBC.
Mullin wasn’t the only committee member to point out incidents of harassment from union organizers. Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., asked the witnesses about an April 20 video showing a worker striking outside of an Amazon warehouse calling a female employee foul names, including “gutter b-tch.”
“This suggests that it’s valid to be concerned about harassment of employees who seek not to unionize,” Cassidy said.